New Horizons(ver 14.0920) Translation Project

Добавлено: Вс Ноя 02, 2014 2:17     Заголовок сообщения:


It's my mistake, I have some beta-versions and sometimes see in wrong directory. But now I see in correct and we have a similar numbers in this ability.

Добавлено: Вс Ноя 02, 2014 2:52     Заголовок сообщения:


OK, one last question before I go to sleep ) (Wow it's even later in Russia!!)

In your beta version,
/569
Name: Чёрная кровь;
Only Once: 1
Need: (0)
Upg Type: 2313
Quantity: 3;

What does it mean Quantity=3 for the Spell 313?
(I asked Jazz in a PM, but I think others might benefit from reading the answer.)

Regards.

Добавлено: Вс Ноя 02, 2014 7:53     Заголовок сообщения:

Can cast spell 313 for 3 ammo.
Modern version uses
Upg Type: 139 —> ability "cast on self"
Quantity: 313 —> which casts spell 313

Upg Type: 355 —> ability 355. Does nothing, but contains a description and icon.
Quantity: 1;

There is some obscure bug or even two with AI and 139 "cast on self". I have seen the double icons in Russian, and the extra spells.
Spells in both your cases and the one I've seen are very clearly successive. It is quite obviously the core bug.
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Добавлено: Вс Ноя 02, 2014 13:38     Заголовок сообщения:


But Spell 313 (Black Blood) has Cost=6... ??
Does (Ability) Quantity "overrule" (Spell) Cost?


Why do you say 139 is "cast on self"?

/139
Name: Healing Spell;
Number: 2012
Numeric: 1
Effect: 0
Percent: 0

which points to Spell #12 = Cure Wounds... ???
And the text description for ability #139 is "Unit can heal target, restoring 7 health"


Arg! I thought I understood the pointer system, but apparently not.
I thought ability 355 is this:
/355
Name: Элементалистка;
Number: 317

С помощью этого договора можно нанять элементалистку. Для этого в замке необходимо построить Сферу Льда. Содержание существа 200 золота/30 кристаллов.


When you say "core bug" you mean a problem in the exe?
If I can examine the source code, maybe I can find the bug (I am a professional programmer).

Regards.

Добавлено: Вс Ноя 02, 2014 15:03     Заголовок сообщения:

Cost is for heroes. Units have an upgrade quantity.You're looking the wrong way. Look at the "Number:" line, it points to the hardcoded ability in the executable. The first number is for synchronization with text and dat.The Maker is not very open with his source code, you see, and decompiling only goes so far. I don't think there's a need to rush, though. The bug is found and will be fixed in due time, I dare to hope. There are several others in current version, some of which are far more prominent, and they are being crunched steadily.
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Добавлено: Вс Ноя 02, 2014 18:57     Заголовок сообщения:


Can you upload your Eador.exe file into Dropbox and share the link on forum?
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Добавлено: Вс Ноя 02, 2014 19:58     Заголовок сообщения:


In my experience, when one writes "The Maker", they mean the (Christian) Deity.
I would write "the (main) developer", or "the (lead) programmer" (cf. John Carmack).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Carmack


I'm quite comfortable decompiling x86 code. It's part of my job.
But I imagine that several Russian experts have done it already? How far have they gone?
Can you share a link to the relevant topic in Russian?


How long has that bug been known? And what are the worse bugs?
I came to Eador Genesis, because I gave up on Eador Masters of the Broken World, which is still plagued by major bugs, 18 months after its release.
And the devs are now busy with a different game, so they have no time to patch Eador!
I'm saddened to hear that there are important bugs affecting Genesis. Sigh.

Does Alexey Bokulev still make money from Eador Genesis?
It would be awesome if he would open source the program code.

Regards.

Добавлено: Вс Ноя 02, 2014 20:07     Заголовок сообщения:


Hello Jazz,

It is Максим who has a beta version. I'm using the official binary from 14.0920
File: Eador.exe
MD5: dd63c772b39f151fa32539cda64f9ccf

Regards.

Добавлено: Вт Ноя 04, 2014 9:46     Заголовок сообщения:


Turns out the French word "franc-tireur" (a literal translation of Вольный стрелок, as far as I understand) also exists in English.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/franc-tireur
Definition: "a civilian and especially a guerrilla fighter or sniper"
I think this captures the original term rather well, doesn't it?

Regards

Добавлено: Вт Ноя 04, 2014 13:28     Заголовок сообщения:


Good research! I had never heard of the term, but I'm not into history much.
Also see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francs-tireurs
I also like Deadeye, but I'd be happy to go with this. Kettarienne?

Добавлено: Вт Ноя 04, 2014 13:42     Заголовок сообщения:


I would side with Deadeye. This one is too historic and anachronistic at that.
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Добавлено: Вт Ноя 04, 2014 14:08     Заголовок сообщения:


Original term is http://eador.com/B2/viewtopic.php?p=222456#222456 (Robin Hood-like without "Good" part)

Frank-tireur is a guerilla, they can use same tactics, but have different ideas.

Вольный is closer to "Outlaw" than "Free", even in province type "Bandit outlaws" (Бандитская вольница). "Вольный стрелок" is distinctive bandit.

Добавлено: Вт Ноя 04, 2014 22:35     Заголовок сообщения:


How about Renegade?
It means "An outlaw or rebel. An individual who rejects lawful or conventional behavior."
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/renegade
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/renegade

Either as a noun ("Renegade") or as an adjective ("Renegade Archer", "Renegade Bowman", "Renegade Shooter").

I see that units 211-282 are new since Drakon's last translation, I'll translate a few to keep busy.

Regards.

Добавлено: Вт Ноя 04, 2014 23:28     Заголовок сообщения:

A quick update: I did quite a bit of work yesterday and today. I have now done about 2/3 if the Text files. It's hard to predict how much each file takes, because of the way the TM works. Sometimes I run through the files in no time, just skipping the old bits and confirming repetitions and suggestions but sometimes it takes much longer. These last two days I have done a lot of real translation work, like on the effects, guards, races, sites, messages... all the bits of it that have been added since version 13.0421.

Often Google at least gives me a clear idea of how a sentence should be translated, sometimes filling in the gaps with the aid of a good online dictionary like Multitran and Lingvo. And when all this fails, there's still good old Kettarienne to help me out. Thanks for that...

to be continued...

Добавлено: Ср Ноя 05, 2014 10:05     Заголовок сообщения:


I was hoping you'd ask for clarifications here, so that we could see the creative process in "real-time" ;-(
(And perhaps other Russian speakers can provide input, and spark some conversation)
Or are you afraid of spoilers, perhaps?

Regards.

Добавлено: Ср Ноя 05, 2014 11:44     Заголовок сообщения:


I find the forum not an ideal medium for cooperative work. As you've undoubtedly noticed, sometimes a whole page is spent on discussing one single term, going back and forth with ideas and responses. Not only does that clutter the thread, but it's not a good place to refer back to later. And the work is quite substantial, so I've learned to prioritize. Sometimes you just have to go with something. It may not be perfect, but lingering too much on the details delays the release unnecessarily IMHO. On crucial terms however, like your marksman, or any other unit name for that matter, I think it is worth spending some time finding the proper term, as we'll be stuck with it for ever.

I have announced a while back that anyone who is willing and able to participate can send me a PM, and I'll share my link to the sheet with the ongoing translation issues. So far only Kettarienne has joined, but his input is very helpful and often all I need. I'll send you a PM with the link anyway, Boon, so you can have a look and join in.

On translating the new units, I haven't started with that file yet, but have started to encounter some new units in other files. Many terms seem to already have their proper English equivalent, judging from the ease with which Kettarienne comes up with them I'll continue with the other bits first, so you can start on the units, and our efforts don't overlap. Maybe you could add you own separate tab to the sheet with the units you're translating, so Kat and I can comment as needed, while still keeping our work separate. Are you okay with that?

Добавлено: Ср Ноя 05, 2014 23:14     Заголовок сообщения:


I did read a message of yours where you talked about a better way to discuss translations, but I must have missed the part where we were to contact you. I did receive the PM, and will contribute over there. Thanks to you

Добавлено: Чт Ноя 06, 2014 0:47     Заголовок сообщения:

What is the difference between these 2 units:
Name: Колдун;
http://eadornh.5gbfree.com/units.html#29
http://eadornh.5gbfree.com/units.html#211

Добавлено: Чт Ноя 06, 2014 0:51     Заголовок сообщения:


The one of them is castle's unit, he hasn't spell "summon a chnare", the other one is AI's unit, you can find him in guard or site, and he has this spell "призвать хнару". It was doing because this spell have very strong influence on the gameplay, but they are interesting in roleplay. And developers duplicate the Колдун and give to a clone this spell.

Добавлено: Чт Ноя 06, 2014 22:01     Заголовок сообщения:

@Kettarienne,

I posted several tentative unit translations to the spreadsheet; feel free to take a look whenever you feel like it.

Regards.